Close Encounters of the Forever Kind an interview with shaman Vita Lobelle by Orandon Many people believe in angels, but it is rare that an angelic presence manifests itself in our lives. For me, this presence has made itself known through the person of Vita Lobelle, whose wisdom, work, and presentations I deeply value. Vita is not someone who minces words. Straightforward and compassionate, she has an intimate understanding of suffering and death; yet I find her gently solvent, realistic and pure. Orandon: In your autobiography, A Path to Sacred Seership, you mention that you have an established relationship with Jesus as your guide. Can you tell me how that came about? Vita: Never having been religious, I had embarked on a lone quest to uncover life's truth. I figured that as I alone would be experiencing my death and journey into the great unknown, I'd better live that truth now, and seek knowledge only from the invisible toward which every day was taking me. It was in 1967 that I awakened one night to find Jesus standing in my room [and had] an extensive communication with him. I discovered him to be an interdimensional being who will not reincarnate again, for he is encouraging humanity to cease reincarnating and is assisting those who wish it to disassemble their reincarnation mechanism and regain freedom. There is an expectation that he will reincarnate to fulfill a "Second Coming," but doing so would betray his own message. His "Second Coming" is, and will continue to be, his appearances like he made to his apostles, others, and myself. He is available to everyone. People ask, "Now that you have met Jesus, are you a Christian?" I answer, "Not a Christian, but a Christiam: a 'Christ-I-am.' " Orandon: You say that when Jesus came to you, you experienced a psychic transference of some type; is that correct? Vita: My grandmother uncovered my psychic seership faculty when I was 12, but I did not know for a large part of my adult life that the manner in which I would use these abilities would be similar to how Jesus worked. My meeting with him and his continued guidance fully developed the faculties that enable today's miraculous results with my clients. Jesus' desire is to empower individuals, not be worshipped. Total abandonment to love is what you experience in his indescribable presence. It is unnecessary to capitalize the "h" when using his personal pronoun. There are no hierarchies in total love. Orandon: Regarding your past-life regression work, my understanding is that you see it as a continuum. What does that mean in regard to the soul and time travel, and how did Jesus assist you into that direction? Vita: Life is a continuum. We feel separated from our own life's continuum by forgetting our experiences, and experience this forgetting as a "not being." Even so, our every thought and experience from time immemorial is recorded in our subconscious, and retrieving this memory rehabilitates our "foreverness." We ourselves are the subconscious creators of — and, indeed, are — this space, time, energy, and matter that we are experiencing. Therefore, we travel within the self when we travel time and space. In my shamanic past-life regressions, I enter the other person's subconscious mind to locate the specific past lifetime that is both blocking their memory of their immortal self and is most affecting this lifetime. We "travel" through the past death, subsequent life in heaven, the why of this reincarnation, and the journey back here. The process erases the root causes of unwanted patterns and reconnects the person more fully to their higher self. It is also a quantum leap toward freedom from reincarnations, which is Jesus' main message. Orandon: You have said that it's easy to predict people's futures if they're not conscious, because they keep repeating the past. Vita: Whatever dominates your awareness, consciously or subconsciously, is your life's experience. If your awareness is unknowingly dominated by past life events, one only has to look at these to see what the future holds, for it will hold nothing but a repetition of the old patterns. I call this "inevitable destiny." Rather than predicting people's inevitable destiny, I help eliminate it. We are our own prophets; the task is to rid ourselves of the subconscious prophet that locks us into unwanted futures. Inevitable destiny has no consciousness of spontaneity, freedom, or miracles. Miracles don't follow rules, being independent of anything previous. Jesus, in performing his miracles, has already "attuned" each and every one of us to be able to do the same. Orandon: What is your definition of truth? Vita: Truth is what is and needs no agreement so to be. Orandon: Many people are dealing with heaviness, which they define as darkness. How would that relate to your work? Vita: There is no resolving this physical world's duality and principle of opposites: positive/negative, light/dark, etc. The soul is subject to this for as long as it partakes of this physical universe. Lifting the heaviness of past life traumas helps immeasurably. Love is the great comforter. Don't wait to meet someone in order to be in love. Generate love inside your being, and this vital, passionate radiance will join the Great Pool of Love and magically return-flow what you desire. Orandon: What is an "interdimensional being"? Vita: An interdimensional being is someone that is no longer participating in reincarnation and is, instead, "virgin birthing" their own body out of their own soul. They are free from the two "deaths" of reincarnation: one when entering a baby body, and the second at the body's death. Jesus is demonstrating his message of life without death by manifesting as an interdimensional being. He continues to say, "You can do everything I can do, and more." We must cut the automatic circuitry that causes reincarnations while in this physical, negative world, for that is where it is created and constantly reinforced. Why we don't overcome the reincarnation mechanism while living in our higher-self state between Earth lives is a subject too long to cover in this interview. Orandon: Do you tap into animals in the same way? Vita: Yes, my work as a therapeutic animal communicator is as much my spiritual mission as my work with people. They are kindred spirits, and communicate telepathically better than we do because their rational mind is not in the way. Orandon: How so? Vita: The rational mind should be the receiver, interpreter, and transmitter of the higher self, which communicates telepathically and creates miraculously. The more "educated" we have become, the more we have mistakenly taken our rational mind to be our higher mind, resulting in the diminishing of our higher faculties. Animals are way-showers to more elevated states by using their rational minds correctly and loving unashamedly. Nonetheless, they do have subconscious imprints from brutalized past lives that cause unwanted reactions and behaviors in this lifetime. As with us, removing these rehabilitates the animal's miraculous spirit. Orandon: Can you help people get in touch with their higher mind? Vita: It's my sole desire in everything I do. Close encounters of the forever kind are my passion. The physical universe's nature is to cease almost as immediately as it begins. Try to catch the present moment; it's already gone. You can't get hold of "the next moment" because next can never be now. Ah, here it is! And now it's gone. Space, time, energy, and matter are play-illusions of the immortal self. In this world, the illusory can be seen and touched, while the real is invisible. Consciousness, love, and the higher self are all real, yet invisible. I help make the invisible "in visible." Reconnecting to our higher self means experiencing our own power, wielding our own miracles, and fulfilling our own purpose for being here. Vita Lobelle will give one presentation each month through November at Seattle Metaphysical Library (located at 1000 East Madison, upstairs). For more information about Vita's shamanic/psychic consultations, or to get a copy of her brief autobiography, A Path to Sacred Seership, call her in Edmonds at (425) 771-5053, or write Free Spirit Sanctuary, 22424 77th Avenue W., Edmonds, WA 98026.