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 Science, Spirit, and Indigo

a talk with Lee Carroll

story and photo by Steve McCardell

So, you’ve wondered all along what Bart Simpson has to do with the New Age movement. I bet you didn’t expect to find your answer here. It turns out, ol’ Bart is useful for comparison purposes only.

Lee Carroll’s spiritual seminar partner, Jan Tober, was once asked, "What is the difference between Bart Simpson and an Indigo child?" and Lee nods in appreciation of her response: "Bart will test and test a person until he or she breaks, and then will test some more. He’s out to create a problem. An Indigo, on the other hand, tests only until feeling accepted and honored as a child, as an equal part of the family unit."

Those of you familiar with the term Indigo child may laugh and agree with her assessment. Others might remain a bit in the dark. So let’s cast some light here with a quick background check on Lee Carroll and his work with what today are being called the Indigo children.

A long-time engineer, Lee was reticent about being introduced to the New Age movement — and that puts it delicately. More to the point, he thought the whole thing was nuts and wanted nothing to do with it. Too bad for him, a certain master named Kryon wanted to have a few words with him. Isn’t it funny the way things turn around?

After slowly opening to interactions with the New Age movement, what once might have seemed tragic — spirit wanting to speak through him — instead has brought him in as one of the leaders of this movement. He is the mouthpiece of magnetic master and spiritual entity, Kryon, much to the benefit of those who follow his work. Through his efforts, he is bringing integrity to the New Age movement by encouraging joint venture between science and spirit.

After a number of Kryon books, however, Lee and Jan tackled another topic important to them both: Indigo children. You know at once that I’ll try to define them here for certain readers, but that definition puts a box on what can’t be boxed, so I'll speak through tendencies.

Indigo children are named for their soul color, and are viewed in some esoteric studies as the sixth root race. They are considered a new group of humanity coming in with genetics to support more direct spiritual influx. Now, this sounds hokey if you’re of a certain mindset, but the beauty of joining science and spirit is that we are beginning to measure and directly observe some of these changes. Parents are raising children who are altogether different from their older siblings. Teachers and social workers are finding they have to relate with certain children in ways they’ve never seen before. Indeed, there have been those among the Indigos born resistant and even immune to certain diseases!

There are noticeable differences in this growing group of children we refer to as the Indigos. They are frequently aware of who they are, where they’ve been, and why they’re here, and they’re seldom afraid to let you know. They understand they are here to be honored and to honor, and they will test you until they know this is achieved. As many have experienced, these kids will have their way, and while this can be a strong and positive feature, it obviously offers quite a lesson in boundaries — remembering that true love does not generally give free license, but rather free support and empowerment.

Among many points he makes about Indigo children, Lee explains that "the children are consumed with achieving balance," and that they can sense imbalance in others. He says this explains their reactions to certain teachers and other adults — why, after working hard for many teachers, a child will suddenly come up against one for whom he or she will give no effort. Lee says if we could see what was going on in that teacher’s life — if we could see the imbalance — we would understand why kids are suddenly doing nothing in the classroom.

While his other books captured quite an audience, it is this insight that has Lee’s and Jan’s Indigo Children book launching unbelievably. Because of their care in writing for those outside the New Age movement as well as those in it, the book is finding itself in parenting sections of bookstores, bringing together the mainstream with less traditional spiritual thought — quite an important joining of worlds!

These children will make themselves known; where they are not honored, where they are pushed to the side and ignored, they will be heard.

Lee and Jan continue their work on the Indigo topic, and Lee tells me that another book on Indigos is due before long. Rather than taking such an academic approach as the first, this second book will focus on stories of Indigo children, showing the fascinating and inherent wisdom they exude.

I knew that Lee has said the Indigo phenomenon is worldwide, and that he’s seen it firsthand in his travels. But one thing has troubled me, and I brought it up with him. People even in other countries have asked me, why all the violence in American schools today — what is happening in the United States? Lee said this is an Indigo phenomenon, because these children will make themselves known; where they are not honored, where they are pushed to the side and ignored, they will be heard. He reminds us that Indigos are not natural-born spiritual giants — they are people. "If we get a chance to teach them and parent them, to bring in the finest qualities they have, they’ll astonish us. If we throw them away, they’ll also shock us." Kryon warned long ago to watch for their rage when disregarded, and this is what is happening. But, says Lee, "This is not just a problem in the United States. It is happening all over the world. In other cultures, there are certain things they don’t even talk about, they don’t report on the news. It is so different the way things are discussed and what is appropriate. In America, this stuff is just wide open." He assures me from experience, though, that this problem in schools is opening up everywhere.

Again, the root seems to be one of children rejected, and Lee has taken to prophecy of a sort from what Kryon has said for years: "If Indigos are not honored, they will survive by finding and building their own culture. You’re going to see communes of teenagers. This is going to be classic; watch for this — it has to happen." Intrinsically wise or no, communes of teenagers means the kids live without the guidance of years. They may have right direction, and they may not. Lee suggests that in the Columbine high school shooting, two teens were rejected to the point they did separate and form their own world. Demanding to be heard, their world became a tragedy for us all. But in the aftermath, what's happening? The kids at Columbine are coming together on their own and asking themselves, "What could we have done to prevent this? What can we do now?" As positive as that reaction is, Lee rightly tells us we need to understand why these problems are erupting and take preventive action. After all, while the idea of communes isn’t new, the thought of kids as young as twelve and thirteen doing this — and of this happening on a large scale — well, that is a thing to think about.

If we haven’t already believed the importance of applicable spirituality rather than theoretical, the work of Jan and Lee proves the point. In Spokane where I interviewed him, Lee spoke twice to crowded rooms — and how many of them I heard discussing Indigo children among themselves! These are parents, teachers, social workers, and more who, like so many of us, are interacting with children every day. If we cannot have some insight into this tremendous shift, we’ll find ourselves often confused. Have you seen it in the world at large?

Lee doesn't stop with the topic of children. He and his staff keep on top of many popular and scientific media to watch for trends in consciousness and discoveries. Get him to discuss these, and you’ll see one buoyed-up energy! A natural comic, Lee uses this energy to keep his audience moving between laughter and awe at all that science is proving today. What he covered quickly with his audience in Spokane, we covered in more depth over dinner. For instance, Lee and Kryon have been discussing for years the effect of magnetism on human beings. But Lee wants us to learn through science how this works! He points out what science recently found. First, the shape of DNA, which has been studied for years, has suddenly been physically acknowledged as a series of loops — science has never seen this before! Second, although chromosomes are lousy conductors of electricity, it was discovered that DNA is nearly a superconductor!

Lee says we need only one more discovery to prove the relationship between humans and magnetic fields. When science can demonstrate a current within DNA, this discovery coupled with the first two will show DNA as an electromagnet. Items like these and more (did you know scientists have decided that atoms have at least 11 dimensions within them?) will show up in Lee’s next Kryon book, Passing the Marker, due in August of this year.

We are living through an important time in spiritual development — a time when more and more quickly what has long been held to through faith is at last being proved by logic. Lee is only one among the trend towards joining science and spirit, but indeed it is his unique approach with Kryon and the Indigo children, as well as his magnetic personality, that draws in friends and students from all around, and keeps them coming back.

Lee Carroll and Jan Tober will present a day of meditation, information, and channeling in Seattle on August 6, 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Tickets: East West Bookshop (206) 523-3726; Stonehouse Bookstore (425) 889-5106.

Steve is The New Times reviews editor and author of The Merlin Interview.

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